Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

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Re: Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

Post by XR807 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:13 pm

When RAF VC10 ops ended, I did manage to obtain some info from the BAE Systems JAVELIN team that showed the total flying hours of most of the aircraft the RAF actually had in service at one time or another. However, please note that for ZA148 there is a discrepancy with what's been reported from the Form 700 earlier in this thread, so there may be other errors as well. However, for those interested here goes

Aircraft Flying hours in military service at Out Service Date Total Flying hours in civil and military service

XR806 35987.00 35987.00
XR807 42737.00 42737.00
XR808 43866.15 43866.15
XR810 38881.00 38881.00
XV101 43330.15 43330.15
XV102 41802.20 41802.20
XV103 34316.00 34316.00
XV104 39383.30 38383.30
XV105 38272.05 38272.05
XV106 42193.25 42193.25
XV107 39354.45 39354.45
XV108 39202.00 39202.00
XV109 38598.00 38598.00
ZA140 5714.00 52506.00
ZA141 6885.00 52818.00
ZA142 5439.00 50633.00
ZA143 6273.00 50769.00
ZA144 5285.00 49258.00
ZA147 14725.35 49943.35
ZA148 15334.40 48294.40
ZA149 14977.15 42702.15
ZA150 15821.50 40397.50
ZD230 4901.00 57947.00
ZD235 2669.00 49568.00
ZD240 5315.00 52194.00
ZD241 7010.40 52692.40
ZD242 7058.00 50270.00

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Re: Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

Post by bobisqueen » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:24 pm

There is also a discrepancy with 241's F725 in the 700. Her hours are logged at 52716:55

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Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

Post by Jelle Hieminga » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:14 pm

That looks like a useful list Mark, thanks for posting that. As for the discrepancies I'm thinking perhaps the final weeks of flying may not have reached the JAVELIN offices. That's just a guess on my part of course.

ZA150 also seems to be about 25-30 hours short in your list.
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Re: Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

Post by bobisqueen » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:59 am

I reckon your right Jelle. I suspect the reason for the discrepancy in hours will probably because the hours held by JAVELIN would have been the last 'End of Month' figures sent to them. On the Sqn, at the end of each month we would close down the last F725 (Flying Log and Fatigue Data Sheet) which had the Aircraft flying hours on it and send it to Eng records for stats purposes. A new one would then been raised for the new month.

In the case of 241, I suspect the hours Mark has of 52692.40 would have been the flying hours at the end of Feb 13 and the additional hours between that and the final figure of 52716:55 would have been flown during the March before her retirement on the 21 Mar 13.

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Re: Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

Post by Jelle Hieminga » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:22 pm

I did a quick calculation and by my reckoning:
  • ZD241's total in the posted list is approx. 24 hours short of the F700 total.
  • ZA148's total in the posted list is approx. 57 hours short of the F700 total.
  • ZA150's total in the posted list is approx. 35 hours short of the F700 total.
Both 148 and 150 were retired near the end of a month (August and September respectively) but are these the sort of hours that an airframe would clock up during one month?

Another thing that could have happened is that the Eng records dept stopped sending the hours to JAVELIN for an airframe that had been taken out of service. Apart from the individual parts that GJD recovered there would no longer be a need to record these statistics, and the parts itself would be tracked differently I guess. I'm afraid that a trawl through the records at Brunty might still be useful Ollie.... :?

By the way, this list is still a very useful reference! I find it interesting to see that the K4s and K2s clocked relatively few hours in RAF service. One wonders if the RAF got its money's worth on those conversions... :D
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Re: Request total hours all airframes GJD,RAF,Brooklands,Newquay

Post by bobisqueen » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:56 pm

Jelle, yes it looks like a Brunty records hunt is required!

The Tankers were not as 'useful' as the C1Ks. A tanker could be used for tanking and trainers were as the C1K could also be used for trooping and freighting. I suspect this is the reason why the tankers RAF hours are lower. A quick calculation of 400ish hours per year for tankers and 800-900 for C1K. (although each airframe varies a fair bit)

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